On Mon, 07-18-05 12:47 pm
Pittsburgh Is Closer to Dallas than I Thought
Written by Dr MikeFiled under: Praxis
[13] comments thusfar
Those of you who have read my “testimony” may have noticed that I described myself theologically as holding to “unlimited atonement (not universalism).” If you were to go there today, you would observe that my description has changed: I now regard myself – in fact, always have believed this, only in different terms – as one who believes in “Definite Atonement (limited in application, not extent).”
I came to this realization over the weekend while studying Rom 8:28-30 and listening to a sermon/lecture by S. Lewis Johnson on the subject. He observed that everyone – except for those who believe in universalism – believes in limited atonement. So-called Calvinists regard the atonement as limited by design while followers of Arminius (but not Arminius himself) believe the atonement is limited by its efficacy. Calvinists, while believing that the atonement is not limited in extent, state that it is limited in intent; this is God’s view on the matter. Arminians, however, believe that it is limited because man is able to thwart the ideal will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:3-4) and thus not all are saved; this is man’s view of it.
Johnson, who is (I assume) a fair representative of Reformed theology, uses the terms “definite atonement” and “particular redemption” to describe what used to be covered by the “L” in “TULIP,” i.e., “Limited atonement.” Surely this is a more accurate term and a more biblical idea. It is this – and nothing more or less – to which I have subscribed for decades: since I first began to understand the issue back in the 1970s, I have believed that the sacrifice – the atonement – of Christ was sufficient for all but that it was not applied to all. The idea of limited atonement – that Christ died only for the elect – was troubling since it raised issues concerning God’s justice and love.
It is tempting at this point to say that I am happy to see that the Reformed camp has begun to see the light and move more in my direction, that is, closer to the truth. Surely they are not far from the kingdom of God!
But that would not be fair: Dr Johnson’s lecture was given in 1981. I only listened to it for the first time this past weekend. My preconceived notions of – and the unfortunate choice of language by – the Reformed position undoubtedly caused me to misread many of the Reformed theologians I had studied in the past. Perhaps they failed to describe precisely what was meant by “limited atonement” or perhaps I simply tuned them out. I do not know. I do know, however, that I was usually defensive when reading the Reformed writings because of a general and usual sense of animus I detected toward those theological orientation was bent toward Dallas Theological Seminary. But that’s another post describing a state of affairs that I have yet to encounter in Reformed bloggers.
But, for whatever reasons, there it is: I adhere to definite atonement or particular redemption. That, in my understanding, means that the efficacy of the atonement is limited by its application. I do not think it possible that man’s choice causes that limitation – the Arminian position – but rather that it is God’s free choice of the (s)elect that limits it.
The blood would cover all but will not cover all. It is the eternal purpose of God.
Funny tidbit about my own hypocrisy: I was once offering up criticism of DTS to my pastor while quoting from my Ryrie Study Bible. hehehe The folly of youth and all that.
I have wondered about the titles of each of the TULIP petals myself. Ultimately, I have concluded that the vernaculars of the initial Reformation period were sufficient to get the message across for the time, but do require some description for today’s understanding.
If I hadn’t had a few good sources of Reformed brothers in Christ to answer my (often accusatory) questions, I would never have progressed toward the love I have for all five petals of the TULIP. This is because each of the controversial points was discussed and clarified.
Well that’s good to hear. It seems to me (and to many other Reformed types) that it is difficult to be a 4 or 4.5-point Calvinist. Once you grasp Total Depravity the rest just kind of flow.
Make sure you tell Ron Gleason.
You really caught my attention (as a Pittsburgher) with your title.
Anyhow, I thought you might find the following of interest.
A Tiptoe Through TULIP
This is great Mike – can infant baptism be far behind?
lol.
David:
Far, far behind!
When we get to heaven and you are in Theology 101 – which all Reformed believers will be required to take – you will finally understand. I, of course, will be taking graduate level courses upon my arrival, having already figured out everything revealed during this lifetime.
Maybe I’ll see you in the halls!
Only a seminarian can fathom a heaven that includes seminary. If I have to attend, I’m sitting next to Mike Yaconelli.
Matt:
That will be in the remedial class, out in the annex next to the outer darkness.
Next to the Baptists.
Okay, I’m literally laughing out loud.
Seminaries in heaven – I don’t think so!
“Seminaries in heaven – I don’t think so!”
At least the teaching would be good.
Review of “What is Reformed Theology?” by R. C. Sproul
I was provided with a copy of this book by Tim Challies and Tim was provided with a copy through the generosity of Baker Books, the publisher. I am not receiving any remuneration or other consideration for this review. As