On Thu, 06-30-05 12:21 pm
I had a quite remarkable conversation with a friend/brother/adversary the other day. He objected to a particular theological view I had propounded and took it upon himself to set me straight. I always – well, usually – welcome such confrontations since I am quite aware of the fact that I may be wrong on any number of my doctrinal positions. God is certainly able to use whomever He chooses to teach me: after all, He used a jackass to rebuke a prophet and He’s used me, too! So I welcomed the interaction with my critic.
[Let me stop for a second and change this present discussion a bit. Using terms like "theological position" and "theological views" has (I am convinced) some unintended and undesirable effects. Such jargon relegates our conversations to the abstract, impersonal, cerebral realm. We wind up talking about ideas and concepts rather than about a person Person. In reality, such exchanges are not about a theory that is in the process of being developed; they are about a singular Person in already in existence, He who has created all things and sustains all things, who knows all and is all-powerful, One who is full in His personality and in need of no change. God is a sentient Being who exists quite apart from our perceptions or notions about Him. In light of this, I'll change the words: instead of talking about "theology" I'm going to use the phrase "impression of God," or something like it. That is, after all, what the term theology means: theos = God and logos = word or knowledge. Since our knowledge is incomplete and partial (cf. 1 Cor 13:12 and 1 Jn 3:2 ), impression is an acceptable substitute.]
My friend began to expound on his own experience of God, arguing that what he knows of the Divine Person refutes my impression of Him. He was saying, in essence, that anyone who has really taken the time to get to know Yahweh would not view Him as I did. I wasn’t sure if he was defending a mutual Friend from what he believed to be a foolish attack or was trying to maintain his considered perception (since he obviously liked it quite a bit).
Such conflicts are not uncommon- at least for me – and we typically engage in them as though the Person about whom we are speaking is absent and/or mute. Since He isn’t here to defend Himself, we seem to be saying, “I will stand up for Him since I know Him well enough to straighten you out.”
Well, are those assumptions accurate? Is God really absent? Mute? We know, of course, that Yahweh is omnipresent (Godspeak for fully present everywhere simultaneously) and so He is actually in our midst, eavesdropping on our conversations. But why doesn’t He speak up? Well, He has spoken up: through the work of His most Holy and Sacred Spirit we have in our possession the words that God breathed out: we have the Scriptures, and the Scriptures are made alive by that same Divine Spirit who dwells within every Christian. So God is not silent and He has not left us without sufficient and adequate knowledge of Him.
But the incredible thing that my critic said – and prompted this post – was this:
I know you’ve been to seminary and have formal training in the things of God. I’m a veterinarian by training but I’m also an amateur theologian, and I have a lot of experience in the Christian life.”
That, I thought, is a profoundly dangerous thing to admit.
It says something about the disdain we have for the discipline of theology and the hubris we exude regarding our own abilities. Imagine the following scenarios:
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Your pet is ill, obviously in dire need of prompt attention if it is to survive whatever ailment is besetting it. So you bring your pet to me and I say, “Well, I’m a theologian by trade but I’m also an amateur veterinarian. Let’s cut ‘im open and see what we can figure out!”
You’re being audited by the IRS and may face substantial fines or imprisonment. I learn of your plight and say, “Professionally, I’m a theologian but I’m an amateur tax attorney and having been doing my own taxes for more than forty years. Let me tell you what to do!”
An announcement comes over the PA stating that your flight has been cancelled because the pilot is drunk (again). I pop up and say, “I’ve flown hundreds of times and even been in the cockpit on many occasions. I’m a theologian, perhaps, but I’m also an amateur pilot. Let’s see what this 747 can do, eh? Hop on board!”
For some dumbfounding reason, many Christians seem to think that we are as capable and qualified to speak for God as those who have devoted their lives to the exacting study of the Scriptures and to an understanding of the inspired words of Him who watches us. Now, I put myself in the place of theologian in the preceding examples, but I am certainly not a theologian – i.e., knower of God – of the same stature as a Millard Erickson, Carl F.H. Henry, John Calvin, Douglas Moo, or C.E.B. Cranfield. Were I to enter into a discussion with the likes of, for example, D.A. Carson or Haddon Robinson, I would ask a lot of questions, make very few statements, and pray that I didn’t embarrass myself or waste their time.
It is incredible to me that we are so very careful in selecting a physician, attorney, or even someone to care for our dog but presume to think that we can be amateur authorities when it comes to understanding God and the words He has spoken to us. This leads me to a final point, which is the most disturbing and chilling for me.
Such cavalier statements reflect an attitude that says, in essence, “Sure, God is important but it’s something I can do in my spare time. He’s a fascinating hobby, you know.” Perhaps we have become a little too comfortable or friendly with the King, thinking that we can be casual chums and enjoy each others’ company when there’s time for it.
Is there anything more important than our impression of God? Anything more vital to our existence, well-being, and reason for even taking up space on this little dirt ball circling the sun? The Great King, the Most Powerful Creator of all that is, the Dying God Who Saves Us, has stooped low to allow us to get to know Him – and we approach it as a part-time avocation and speak as amateur theologians?
When I write such posts as these, I always feel compelled to add a concession to the effect that “We all have a right to study the Scriptures and we all have a right our opinions about God.” Or some such drivel. But the truth is this: Yahweh/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit is not some incidental dimension of our lives to be treated as a small or trivial Person. He is the One with who we will all have to stand before some day, there to explain our deeds and words done during our lifetimes. He is not going to chuckle at our misrepresentations of Him or excuse us for being too busy to study more carefully.
We may have the right to our opinions, but that doesn’t make our opinions correct or valuable; we may have a right to our opinions, but we’re all going to be held responsible for them at the Judgment Seat of Jesus Christ.
God has given us His word and He has given us His servants to help us understand and know Him better. If we really believe that He is the greatest and most important Person in our lives, that seeing Him clearly is our highest calling, and that true knowledge of Him is necessary to truly glorify Him, then we will stop being so arrogant as to believe that – as a part-time, amateur theologian – we can speak dogmatically or decisively about Him. We will not treat the Scriptures as a common thing or regard our impressions of God as complete.
Not everyone needs to go to seminary, devote themselves to full-time study of the word of God, or become experts in the biblical languages. God knows that and so has given us such men and women. But we can at least have enough common sense to shut up and listen to such scholars. If we are going to disagree, say, with Moo – a first-rate exegete – over the identity of the person in Romans 7:13-25, then we had better disagree because we know that Cranfield – also a first-rate exegete – also holds a different view.
But to disagree simply because I don’t think he’s right, based only on my own amateurish understanding of the passage, is sheer arrogance and foolishness. God save us from ourselves.
Yes, Mike, but did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Well put, sir. There’s a reason that we are multi-faceted creatures, and to elevate one facet over the other is to slide down the slippery, Corinthian slope.
Mike:
Let me do something profoundly dangerous: I admit to being one who regularly demonstrates his hubris in commenting on matters theological –excuse me–”impressions of God.” And just as “fools names are like their faces, always seen in public places”, I exhibit this hubris sans anonymity on various blogsites that “dangerously” self-proclaim their Christian witness.
I am not a veterinarian so I don’t propose to spay you; I am an attorney so let me just “sue” for your attention.
You may “opt out” of the generalities I intend to lay out, only wearing the shoe if it fits. I choose to lay the shoes out here only because you brought up the subject matter of “theological” expertise, and whether it exists outside of the “pastor’s union.”
I have been around and known as many pastors in my life as anybody my age who is not themselves part of the “union.” And as you might expect–based on your own personal experience with attorneys or vets–there are good pastor/theologians and bad ones and lots of mediocre ones in between.
I do not pretend to be the theologian that Barth was or the exegete or theolgian that you are. But what I do know–and perhaps your vet friends knows too–is that the Bible isn’t nearly as arcane as many of you “pros” make it out to be. Nor is the law as complex as many of us attorneys create it to be. And there is the key: the complexity is mans’ “gift” to the project of knowing God. His is the Mystery; our’s the complexity. THE LAW and GOSPEL is only foolishness to the Greeks. Believers “get it.” Believers “get it” and not primarily because we have theologians, but because we have the illumination of the Holy Spirit. Can He and does He use theologians? YES and Praise God! But….professional “Levites” while they often aid in the effort to understand can as often “complexify” it.
No believing vet or lawyer is going to spend time contemplating whether or not God has a navel and if so how many angels can dance on the head of a pin while contemplating it.[Yes: I'm aware that is hyperbole.] Those are seminary exercises the fall-out of which is too often detachment from the “real presence” of the Living God, a detachment that spills out from the pulpit –where such things are still in fashion–well beyond the first tier of pews–where those are still in use.
Would that you “theologians” stuck to your “impressions of God” and kept your therapeutic impressons of man to yourselves. There is way too much therapy and way too little theology being absorbed and passed on by the seminary levites these days. And because so much of what passes for His Word is little more than your word, it should neither surprise you or anger you that vets and attorneys and moms and pops know themselves to be as qualified as you to discuss and understand His Word or your latest “homily.” If pastors would get out of their own words and into His Word perhaps the number of times you find attorneys or vets claiming equal understanding with you will diminish. “It is My Father’s World.” Not Freud’s; not Maslow’s; not Bultmann or Barth’s; not even Dr. Phil’s.
Okay, Mike: now have at it.
Your Brother in Christ,
Derek
Brother Mike,
Your words are sound, but I have disagreed on this ground before. Not so much because of disparaging the scholar’s schooling but because of the preference and elevation of parts of the body because of either gift or training. As I’ve said before regarding the Body, gift is important but I would follow character sans gift anytime over gift sans character. And if there is no way to decide character I am repeatedly tentative about gift. I’ve been around theologians who denied the deity of Christ. Just because they spent years studying the text as a literary piece didn’t make them a source I would rely on nor one that I would lift up.
An Interesting Juxtaposition
I am nearly as well trained as most pastors, but because I do not serve in a professional pastoral role, that can be a source of great friction in my life and particularly in my relationships with pastors.
Mike,
This was a good post overall, but I do share some of Rey’s concerns. I think you would agree that Christians should be very careful as to which theologians we are listening to. I have seen professional biblical scholars deny a basic truth like Christ’s deity. How is one to know who to trust? Layman must be able to know much about the Word to be able to discern between which theologians are straying from the truth.
Personally, I do not regard a life spent studying Scripture as useless or unnecessary. I readily admit the fact that my lack of knowledge of Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, etc limits my full understanding of Scriptures. We need theologians and pastors. And while pastors (and other elders) are worthy of double honor, I don’t believe we should elevate them beyond what God has stated. I will try to be humble and receive the Word from those God has placed over me. Yet I will also seek to be like a Berean and search the Scriptures for myself to see if things are holding up. I do trust that the Spirit will allow me to do that.
God bless Mike
“For some dumbfounding reason, many Christians seem to think that we are as capable and qualified to speak for God as those who have devoted their lives to the exacting study of the Scriptures and to an understanding of the inspired words of Him who watches us.”
I think I can speak better than Bishop Spong. Or the theologian whose post I read the other day proposing that God approves of abortion and the bible supports it.
Frankly Mike, I appreciate theologians. I also appreciate the non-theologians who roll up their sleeves and set the example by serving. They speak volumes for God.
Let me put it another way – I don’t need a scholar to show me how to wash feet. But he/she can help me on predestination. Maybe… as I mentioned, some definitely can’t since they deny central truths that even a babe in Christ knows by faith.
Catez:
I don’t think I disagree much with what you – or some others – have said here. What I’m really arguing against is the postmodern (if that’s what it is) idea that one person’s opinion is just as valuable and authoritative as another’s. I don’t buy that. I certainly agree that any doctrinally sound believer has more to
saycontribute than Bishop SpongBob. But when a Douglas Moo or Douglas Groothuis makes a statement about their area of expertise, it must – or should – carry more weight than what I say. Don’t you think so?The postmodern view is not one I subscribe to. But that isn’t what I picked up from the commenter you responded to. I saw more that he was saying “well I can engage in this discussion even if I’m not formally trained”. I don’t see why he shouldn’t.
You said: “But when a Douglas Moo or Douglas Groothuis makes a statement about their area of expertise, it must – or should – carry more weight than what I say.”
Not necessarily. Sorry Mike but I’ve been burned by the belief that the “most learned men” know best. I won’t bore you with the details of the abusive church I was in. Nothing carries more weight than the Holy Spirit speaking to conscience. And if it isn’t something that is helping me to conform to Christ then it’s just dry intellectualism.
So it is dependent on that. If what you say at a given time is the best advice/explanation and one that rings true then I’ll take your opinion over theirs.
I see what you are saying but to be honest it can also lead to elitism – and in so doing the ability for the layperson to hear God and communicate him is subjugated to the “expert”. Everyone can communicate the gospel. Everyone can communicate the power of God working through them. Some of the expertise is very valuable and some is a hindrance.
Reading your post it also sounded to me like you were saying theological knowledge=godliness. i.e. the more studied one is the more one can communicate for God.
“For some dumbfounding reason, many Christians seem to think that we are as capable and qualified to speak for God as those who have devoted their lives to the exacting study of the Scriptures and to an understanding of the inspired words of Him who watches us.”
Not everyone is as capable at expounding the scriptures. But not everyone who expounds the scriptures speaks for God either. Communicating for God is a work of the Holy Spirit.
I very much appreciate the work of theologians. However they are not my church authority – unless they also happen to be leaders in my church.
I respect the foot as much as the eye – in fact the parts we consider the least comely are given greater honour.
Some people learn by discussion. Why not let them discuss and learn in the process? I don’t believe everyone should shut up because the expert is the only one who knows. I do agree with listening. But again – how does some-one differentiate between the value of Spong or Groothius? They don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see the error. And they don’t have to have studied for years to point it out.
All of that is really just to say that while there is much value in the scholarship – let’s not put down the layperson for their own understanding of God and their own informal study. They may not be highly educated but might leave me for dust in terms of character, serving others and spreading the gospel. I can think of people like that